Curse

Spydergst1 · Oct 31, 2006, 07:12 PM // 19:12

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Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

But I guess he ebayed it because noone can make gold that quickly....

How about runners. One I know made I think in the region of 250 ecto (or around that) in two days. O but wait, I bet he is lying.....

I already conceded that it is possible. So I am not sure where you are going with this.

Spydergst1 · Oct 31, 2006, 08:00 PM // 20:00

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Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

I dont care if you believe me or not. I paid 60k for a weapon which just over a month ago was offered 500 ecto for. The thread is on guru somewhere which shows the offer.

DUDE! 500 ecto's! That's insane. Either this is a "I once caught a fish" story or
give me that guys name I have a bridge to sell him!

If you can provide a link to the auction I'd like to see that! That's 3 million gold or 3000 platinum at 6k per ecto (low end) 4500 platinum at 9k per ecto high end.

Thats insane!

Daniel__ · Oct 31, 2006, 08:21 PM // 20:21

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Originally Posted by Res Ipsi

I have two sets. The first set took about 1.5 months of UW duo-farming. I sold the drops to merchants, traded the excess ecto for shards, and already had enough gold and mats for the rest (had been playing a year by then). The second set took 1.5 weeks of UW solo-farming, selling various items via Guru trader, and trading excess ecto for shards. Working on a third set now, which is taking longer because of the recent nerf. Once you make your mind up to do what's necessary to get Fissure, it's not that hard. Sadly, there are many people out there who want the reward without doing the work. Sucks to be them.

applause ***

Akhilleus · Oct 31, 2006, 09:50 PM // 21:50

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Originally Posted by Spydergst1

DUDE! 500 ecto's! That's insane. Either this is a "I once caught a fish" story or
give me that guys name I have a bridge to sell him!

If you can provide a link to the auction I'd like to see that! That's 3 million gold or 3000 platinum at 6k per ecto (low end) 4500 platinum at 9k per ecto high end.

Thats insane!

500 ecto is by far not the most expensive an item can reach.
the fact that that number surprizes you is precicely why you find it hard to believe its legitimate for someone to get FoW in a matter of weeks from starting off with absolutly nothing. i would hazard a guess that capitalist, herbalizer, milias (and i know this goes for myself) will not trade for an item to make a profit off of it, unless the profit is substantial enough to justify the time involved in reselling it. for me, i will not trade for an item, unless i can make at least 100k off of it, passivly selling it, in about a week or less. its just not worth the time or risk otherwise.
in order to meet these requirements, such item would probably have to be worth 500k-1mil. this is just to give you an idea of the kind of profit can be made by exactly the kind of trader you recently accused of ebaying.
i have 7 items worth 500ecto+, 3 of these could reach over 1,000ecto (granted 1 is customized).
the single largest profit i made off any one item was 950 ecto, followed by the 450 ecto profit i made off of a r8 15% stance serpant axe. i knew the guy who wanted it, i knew what he wanted and how much he was willing to pay, and i found someone selling the same thing for far less.
did i make most of my money form a few "lucky" trades? absolutly not (ive had about a dozen lucky trades that led to 50-300% profit margins, but these are few and far between).
the vast of my wealth came from trading large amounts items worth 200-600k, with a 10-30% profit margin. in fact, you'll find, the more a person relies on luck over ability, the more liekly to be less successful they will be.

Sable Phoenix · Oct 31, 2006, 10:05 PM // 22:05

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Originally Posted by Res Ipsi

Sadly, there are many people out there who want the reward without doing the work. Sucks to be them.

Yeah, imagine that! Not wanting to work in a game! A game that one spends time playing to have fun! The hubris!

Fissure armor is fine, there's a place for it in the game and certain people like the kind of grind entailed to gain it. I don't have to have Fissure armor to play, I'm happy with 1.5k or 15k armors.

When that high end so-called "economy" starts impinging upon the play of casual players like myself, however, that's where the problems start. Things like black (and now white) dye or superior vigor runes. Some of these things have an impact on the gameplay, some don't, but they're easily available and should be within the price range of any player. The single solitary thing that keeps them from being so is the oversaturation of gold in the market from the super high end rich. There is no valid reason why black dye should cost as much as 10k a vial; only the greed of certain players keeps it so. The fix is really simple too; all ANet needs to do is increase the drops, introduce hard caps and infinite stock in the trader, and viola, problem solved.

Capitalism doesn't work in the game because the environment is too small and insular and the commodities are too limited.

pingu666 · Oct 31, 2006, 10:09 PM // 22:09

dang thats expensive items.

btw i once worked out the cost of fow armour for a friend, and how much it would cost on ze ebay gold. (to buy all the materials, crafting cost etc) think it was £30-40 (50-70ish dollars). so even if you go the ebay gold route, its alot of (real) money, much more than most would spend/invest.

ebay gold has mostly effected item costs, if you just used ebay gold say for crafting armour (u already had material) then it doesnt effect the economy. the purchasing of weapons and mini pets, thats where its effected the economy, and to a certain extent why some are so rich (even if they dont ebay), as the funds are avalible for higher prices, it creates a visious circle...

tbh we needs a modifcations trader. that would help stabilze the market alot.

Spydergst1 · Oct 31, 2006, 10:20 PM // 22:20

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Originally Posted by Akhilleus

500 ecto is by far not the most expensive an item can reach.
the fact that that number surprizes you is precicely why you find it hard to believe its legitimate for someone to get FoW in a matter of weeks from starting off with absolutly nothing.

Look, I am not saying anyone is lying but I have to see a link to one of the auctions myself. You are right it surprises me. I can't believe someone will shell out 1000 ectos. Thats just stupidity on thier part. Until I see a link I just wrap my mind around and can't believe it.

In fact I am so convinced that no one can prove this I am almost tempted to pony up 100 ecto to first person who provides a link proving someone paid 500 ecto's. ALMOST but not yet willing.

unienaule · Oct 31, 2006, 10:20 PM // 22:20

To spydergst1:

Although you have played for a year, it appears you don't know anything about buying and selling items, and definitely don't know any of the famous traders on this site. I'm telling you that they aren't lying and that you shouldn't post any more idiotic accusations of ebaying about people whom you don't even know. Basically, using no knowledge of rich people, I could say... hmm... I have no idea how they got rich... they must... use hacks! Yes that must be it! *goes off to post total BS that I just came up with*

If you have any other arguments about how "hard" it is to get rich, I suggest you work hard at any of the several methods that have been suggested (yes it still takes *gasp* time, it's not just free money) and then see just how rich you can get.

Akhilleus · Oct 31, 2006, 10:31 PM // 22:31

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Originally Posted by Spydergst1

Look, I am not saying anyone is lying but I have to see a link to one of the auctions myself. You are right it surprises me. I can't believe someone will shell out 1000 ectos. Thats just stupidity on thier part. Until I see a link I just wrap my mind around and can't believe it.

In fact I am so convinced that no one can prove this I am almost tempted to pony up 100 ecto to first person who provides a link proving someone paid 500 ecto's. ALMOST but not yet willing.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10054638
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10049559
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10063296
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...47#post2115047
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...=1#post1853766
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...t=89574&page=2

i currently own the 14% no condition serpent axe mentioned in some of the above threads.

i could provide probably over 100 other links if i had to dig for them, these are just the oens that are still on my favs list from when i was interested in bidding on them.

Res Ipsi · Oct 31, 2006, 11:10 PM // 23:10

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Originally Posted by Sable Phoenix

Yeah, imagine that! Not wanting to work in a game! A game that one spends time playing to have fun! The hubris!

You've taken my quote out of context. I'm referring to the people who EBay their Fissure rather than working for it (read: earn it). For the record, I enjoy playing the game, but I also enjoy the challenge of getting the goods together for the Fissure. Why? Because my toons deserve it after countless hours spent helping friends/guildies do the same missions over and over. Talk about work.

Malice Black · Nov 01, 2006, 12:13 AM // 00:13

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I believe anyone who accomplished FOW armor in under 4 months is a ebay'er. Anyone close to a year could be legit.

If it takes anyone 4 months to earn enough money for fow armor they are doing something wrong.

An acomplished trader can make millions in a single trade like Akh stated..

Doomlord_Slayermann · Nov 01, 2006, 12:21 AM // 00:21

I think the question some people need to stop and ask themselves is "Why am I buying this?" Don't expect to have much prestige from FoW armor (again, the eBayers are ruining it) or your perfect Sundering Fellblades of Fotitude, because items are completely dissassociated from skill in Guild Wars, not to mention that in many cases (Sundering, for example) the majority of players are ignorant of the actual workings of the game and promote inferior items for a non-existant "prestige" factor.

winkgood · Nov 01, 2006, 12:57 AM // 00:57

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Originally Posted by Akhilleus

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10054638
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10049559
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10063296
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...47#post2115047
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...=1#post1853766
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...t=89574&page=2

i currently own the 14% no condition serpent axe mentioned in some of the above threads.

i could provide probably over 100 other links if i had to dig for them, these are just the oens that are still on my favs list from when i was interested in bidding on them.

Good grief, man. I went through all of those. All I can say is I'm not worthy. I consider myself a decent trader and have accumulated a decent number of perfect items that I like and use in pvp but the items I've obtained simply don't compare to those ones. That serpent axe is pretty sweet, btw. I just hope Anet doesn't decide to go through and nerf all of the unconditionals. Hell, they've already done it to rockmolders, HoD swords (both of which I owned), 15 ffs, 55 axe, and have screwed over collectors in various ways by increasing the drop frequency of perfect items.

Lets hope that Anet decides to keep a few things in the game that are cool and rare.

Malice Black · Nov 01, 2006, 01:00 AM // 01:00

Lol yeah Akh has some nice stuff.

milias · Nov 01, 2006, 01:11 AM // 01:11

I don't think ANet is in the business of changing gold (random) items, for whatever reason. They haven't done so in the past, and I have no reason to believe they'll start doing so in the future.

Phoebe · Nov 01, 2006, 01:14 AM // 01:14

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Originally Posted by Akhilleus

500 ecto is by far not the most expensive an item can reach.
the fact that that number surprizes you is precicely why you find it hard to believe its legitimate for someone to get FoW in a matter of weeks from starting off with absolutly nothing. i would hazard a guess that capitalist, herbalizer, milias (and i know this goes for myself) will not trade for an item to make a profit off of it, unless the profit is substantial enough to justify the time involved in reselling it. for me, i will not trade for an item, unless i can make at least 100k off of it, passivly selling it, in about a week or less. its just not worth the time or risk otherwise.
in order to meet these requirements, such item would probably have to be worth 500k-1mil. this is just to give you an idea of the kind of profit can be made by exactly the kind of trader you recently accused of ebaying.
i have 7 items worth 500ecto+, 3 of these could reach over 1,000ecto (granted 1 is customized).
the single largest profit i made off any one item was 950 ecto, followed by the 450 ecto profit i made off of a r8 15% stance serpant axe. i knew the guy who wanted it, i knew what he wanted and how much he was willing to pay, and i found someone selling the same thing for far less.
did i make most of my money form a few "lucky" trades? absolutly not (ive had about a dozen lucky trades that led to 50-300% profit margins, but these are few and far between).
the vast of my wealth came from trading large amounts items worth 200-600k, with a 10-30% profit margin. in fact, you'll find, the more a person relies on luck over ability, the more liekly to be less successful they will be.

So what you are telling us is that traders are legit because they only make their money selling things to ebayers, they are not ebaying themselves?

Doomlord_Slayermann · Nov 01, 2006, 01:17 AM // 01:17

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Originally Posted by milias

I don't think ANet is in the business of changing gold (random) items, for whatever reason. They haven't done so in the past, and I have no reason to believe they'll start doing so in the future.

If you think about it from ArenaNet's perspective, there's not much point in them tracking down every single "unconditional" gold drop. Getting rid of the greens and collectors items is easy because they're all the same, but the individual golds would be a pain to track down and are rare enough that they don't create very much imbalance.

The Herbalizer · Nov 01, 2006, 01:20 AM // 01:20

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Originally Posted by Phoebe

So what you are telling us is that traders are legit because they only make their money selling things to ebayers, they are not ebaying themselves?

Where did Akh say that? Just because people pay full price for an item dont necessarily make them an ebayer. Today I spent 400k on an item I am after as I havnt got the time to sit around waiting for weeks on end to get it for say 300k. There are plenty of non power traders with millions of gold who pay full price for stuff.

milias · Nov 01, 2006, 01:24 AM // 01:24

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Originally Posted by Doomlord_Slayermann

If you think about it from ArenaNet's perspective, there's not much point in them tracking down every single "unconditional" gold drop. Getting rid of the greens and collectors items is easy because they're all the same, but the individual golds would be a pain to track down and are rare enough that they don't create very much imbalance.

Could be a problem if the owners are in the top PvP guilds. Then they'd hold an unfair advantage over other players in more important matches.

makosi · Nov 01, 2006, 01:26 AM // 01:26

Merchants needn't feel guilty about other people ebaying. They're smart for taking advantage of the ignorant, which sounds extreme but it isn't.

Genuine Farmer: Takes 2-4 weeks of hard work to earn a million and, therefore, values his/her gold greatly.

Ebayer: Takes a few minutes for someone to hand over a million in exchange for his pocket money and is more careless with his cash. "I can always buy a million next week when daddy gives me money."

Besides, not all wealthy people Ebay. Most people like Akhilleus deal with those top high-end trades such as crystallines and dwarvens whereas other people are efficient farmers or profiteer from lower-end trading (such as buying sword pommels +30 for 40k and selling for 60k). Also, like The Herbalizer, running was once a big money maker.